You Might Be Emerging If...
Since the Emerging Church doesn't seem to like definitions, and they do seem to like images, I offer the following.*
You Might Be Emerging if...
You are a

from

-or-

-or-

-or-

-or-

You own an

Without me giving last names, You still know who these people are:
Brian
Anne
Sufjan
Bono
Tom
Andrew
Stan
Doug
Dan
You like to drink

and discuss one or more of the following:









with a liberal dose of

You are listening to:



on your

You use these words in a positive way:
Missional, Liquid/Aqua, Ancient-Future, Post ___________, Jesus, Community, Derrida, Liturgy, Global, Creed, Experience, Social Justice, Conversation, Spiritual, Ritual, Beauty, Art, Blog, Ooze, Journey, Discussion, Open, Random, Culture, Technology
You use these words in a negative way:
Foundationalism, Absolute Truth, Church Growth, D.A. Carson, Calvinism, Modernism, Fundamentalist, Bush, Seeker Sensitive, Preaching, Pulpit, Doctrine, Innerancy, Power, Enlightenment, Rationalism, Meta-narratives, Universal, Judgemental
You have

on the bumper of your

-or-

You have to look at these pics twice because it might be you:

Your worship service looks like

-or-


-or-

-or-

This is your leg:

You see this on a website and know exactly what to do:

Depending on your sense of humor, you're a tad irritated with this post.
* This "list" is neither exhaustive nor exclusive. No single one of these traits indicates that you might be part of the EC, but at some point, a cummulative weight will let you know if you are Emerging.
You Might Be Emerging if...
You are a

from

-or-

-or-

-or-

-or-

You own an

Without me giving last names, You still know who these people are:
Brian
Anne
Sufjan
Bono
Tom
Andrew
Stan
Doug
Dan
You like to drink

and discuss one or more of the following:









with a liberal dose of

You are listening to:



on your

You use these words in a positive way:
Missional, Liquid/Aqua, Ancient-Future, Post ___________, Jesus, Community, Derrida, Liturgy, Global, Creed, Experience, Social Justice, Conversation, Spiritual, Ritual, Beauty, Art, Blog, Ooze, Journey, Discussion, Open, Random, Culture, Technology
You use these words in a negative way:
Foundationalism, Absolute Truth, Church Growth, D.A. Carson, Calvinism, Modernism, Fundamentalist, Bush, Seeker Sensitive, Preaching, Pulpit, Doctrine, Innerancy, Power, Enlightenment, Rationalism, Meta-narratives, Universal, Judgemental
You have

on the bumper of your

-or-

You have to look at these pics twice because it might be you:

Your worship service looks like

-or-


-or-

-or-

This is your leg:

You see this on a website and know exactly what to do:

Depending on your sense of humor, you're a tad irritated with this post.
* This "list" is neither exhaustive nor exclusive. No single one of these traits indicates that you might be part of the EC, but at some point, a cummulative weight will let you know if you are Emerging.

151 Pleas:
Wow. Absolutely perfect. Genius. I'm not sure what else to say.
Ah, the comfort and peace of my un-emergent faith. Just keeping up with all that stuff would wear me out!
Excellent.
First blog post that made me laugh out loud this week.
Classic post.
Marc that is one of the funniest things I have ever seen on a blog. I laughed so hard I woke up the baby. When my wife came in to scold me, she laughed so hard the baby went back to sleep.
A fairly accurate diagnosis Marc
:-)
At the beginning, I thought you were going to say, "You are a single white male... but you don't look like one."
The leg got me. Will the hilarity ever stop?
Marc,
I must admit I'm big (literally) fan of your blog! I'm honored to be on your blogroll. Thanks!
What an education you've given me. I really didn't have a grasp of what the whole emergent thing was, but now, after these 33 pictures, I think I understand(33,00 words?).
Thanks Steve, you have a great blog. Love your expositions.
Rose,
I hope I'm not your only source for information - mis-information ;-)
Until now, I've never really understood the attraction of being Emergent. But now I understand: it's the Guinness.
LOL...*sigh* I've seen that tattoo too many times... ;-D
YIKES! I'm feeling rather emergent now. I love Guinness, I have an iPod, and I'd love to drive a Prius if I could find one...but my iPod is full of R.C. Sproul commentaries. Does that cancel out my emergent-ness?
I guess I'm not Emergent because I like the word "preaching." Jesus was a preacher. The disciples filled Jerusalem with their preaching. And, how will they hear without a preacher?
Marc, I have linked to this post on my blog. Great job!
Some of these hit a little close to home for me.
And I am quite offended.
hilarious!
And they claim that they can't be pigeon-holed!!
I didn't think I was emergent, but now I'm spiraling into an identity crisis. I wish you would have had a scoring system. Oy. I need a *&$#@ beer.
Blue,
I have to say I qualify on a number of these as well. Guiness and Theology is a killer combo.
BTW The book "Mere Discipleship" came today. Look forward to reading it. Thanks again!
Oh my! That was funny...but sad.
You forgot to put in something about the Wednesday night services where they watch one of the latest flicks and then have a 15 minute discussion about how it applies to the Gospel.
I think everyone will still get the point though.
I thought that was funny...:¬)
LoL! I agree with c.n.n.
classic!
Bwa-ha-ha! This is great. You've described us to a "T"!
You use these words in a negative way: .... Seeker Sensitive
Shouldn't that be in the "positive" section?
this is so funny ... and even though I see myself "emerging" in a way .. I break a lot of the stereo types up here :-) starting with the flag!
Thanks for the info. I must say this is about as close to an actual definition of the "emerging church" as I've seen. I've tried to figure out what they stand for, but visits to their websites only added to my confusion.
Well, I didnt think I was a hardcore emergent until just now!
that was impressive but now what do you do if your Mark Driscoll or go to Tim Keller's church -HA GOT YOU
that all up there is me except add the 5(7DGM?) points of a Calvin and a copy of Desiring God in my back pocket and Bob Kauflin leading praise and worship and CJ preaching
Scottyb,
Back away from the vehicle, slowly, slowly... okay, look at it again, reading too (especially the negative words part), not just looking at fun pictures.
I love all things emergent but...I don't care who y'are, that's funny!
ROTFLOL.
Marc, you need a publisher and sell this in coffee-book form. =) You could even sell Jesus-sented candles and a cd of the Gregorian chat with it as an Emergent Package deal.
Mike Perrigoue said: "You forgot to put in something about the Wednesday night services where they watch one of the latest flicks and then have a 15 minute discussion about how it applies to the Gospel."
Mike we could list it as "The Matrix Movie Moment". ;)
*joke* FIRST OFF! I'm severly offended, I'm a single white male and do not consider myself Emergent or whatever. *joke*
Actually, I look nothing like the guy, so it doesnt count ;)
Great post, btw... a couple of other words that I see floating around are like (in a positive way) "One-eighty", "The Movement", "Relationships", "Connect" (actually, I think "connect" is the one I hear the most).
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Forgot...
"Adventure", "Authentic"/"Authenticity" blah blah blah... it gets old
There would have been a time when I probably would have enjoyed Anne Lamont. I did read one of her books. I was totally unimpressed with her self absorbtion. Some years back, I would have enjoyed what I considered a sort of off the wall person who claimed to love the Lord. I am a bit older and wiser and my love for the Lord has gotten deeper, but I was always considered a sort of off the wall person myself. I am an artist and have done the artistic "black or funky clothing" or my "going hiking in the wilderness" clothing and appearance. I have mellowed over the years and venture to say that many of the emergent types will also mellow over the years. I am old enough that I was part of the hippie culture too and we had our own idiosycracies. I think that if I had a choice for my older daughter, for example, who is in a punk band in Los Angeles...I would choose for her to be in emergent rather than detest any spirituality. I would choose that she completely accept God's grace and love of course, and be grounded in absolute truth, but as a parent, we grasp at straws sometimes. At least if she was in something, perhaps we could converse more about God. As it is, she is just not that interested. God was able to graciously work in my life and heart and bring me into truth, and my hope is that the same will happen with some of these folks. I bet they are fun to hang out with though. The pictures remind me of the wilderness ministry I was involved with. The most fun I ever had with a group of people. Sometimes I think we don't give God enough credit to change hearts and minds. On the other hand, I have done a lot of research into contemporary Christianity and find much to alarm me. The Emergent fits into a lot of what is alarming as far as allowing a lot of new age and mystical influences into the Church. Sorry for the long post...just rambling.
Brilliant!
You've really deconstructed the conversation's ooze! (do you like my use of the fun buzzwords?)
But I do love Eugene Peterson, though. I think that these emergent-types would give him a good laugh. He hates fad-ism and the trendy stuff.
Great work!
Marc, you've put your finger on something I've always suspected. PCs are more Calvinist than Macs.
Oh, heavens to Murgatroyd! LOL!
Thanks, Marc, for this hysterically funny post. I needed the levity after spending so much time swashbuckling in the Coliseum. Love it.
Now, excuse me while I go weep because it's so true.
God bless,
Joel
HIGHLARIOUS!!!!! You have a great sense of humour!
a friend sent me the link. classic post. absolutely halerious.
Marc,
You're of course welcome! Do let me know what you think of it! And remember the offer of your home as often as you read of it.
Daniel,
As for "seeker sensitive" and "church growth" being listed in the "negative" category I was impressed with Marc's acumen there. It's a common misnomer about EC that they're a "hipper" church growth movement, which doesn't really catch the deep suspicion of consumerism and the way its effected not only evangelism but theology. In some cases I think I'd see "technology" on the negative side too, but obviously that varies.
Amazing job capturing what's so difficult to define (although i'd probably add some more books to the list, like Bruggemann, Hauerwas and maybe Vanhoozer)!
Simply Amazing!!!!
I'll add just one: if you can see yourself in this and still laugh out loud, you're probably emergent.
if {thingaboutus} = {funny +19} then {thingaboutus} also = {not offensive}
You should probably have added some stuff by Rob Bell too! They seem to really like him.
CLASSIC ! ! !
you forgot an variation of the phrase "what it looks like" (what it looks like to, Im not sure what that looks like, whatever that looks like to you . . . ) or the earlier equally overused phrased "do life/church" (I puke everytime I hear that).
Nicely done.
I'm not irritated by it, though it makes me glad I'm not an emergent. I'll stick to my quiet non-pretentious ways and keep the labels to other people.
I'll actually take the two beers and the U2 CD, but you can keep the Emerging Church ;)
Why did I think of taking the beers? It is guiness after all.
Dibbs on the Guiness... after all, it is my blog.
Hey now, I already put in first dibs on the beer and the U2 CD, come on now, fork 'em over!!!!
A truly great post! I'm no expert on the EC movement but it seems to me that there are at least some strong outward similarities. I suspect that the EC movement is simply the SS movement on "intellectual steriods."
What is making me giggle is, A. the post, becuase it's really funny, and B. the fact that many of you think you know about Emergent because of it. Cheers!
Anonymity was not my intent, but I do not have a blogger ID. I am Chad from www.addisonrd.com. Not trying to hide!.
LOL. Almost 100% right on :-P. But, um...how is David Crowder part of the emerging church? I sort of hope that was really a joke.
That was Tim from www.agenttimonline.com. For some reason it made me anon.
theblueraja: I'm completely baffled in what way Vanhoozer could be emergent/ing! I'm most of the way through his "Is there a meaning in this text?" Enlighten me do!
Crowder has an uneasy relationship with emerging streams of church; they have performed at some of the "Big Box" Emergent Village events, but to the chagrin of many of the participants. He's a bit too mainstream for many. The Psalters and Harp 46 are more authentically "emerging." These, and others listed here...
A perfect post.
you know--I was getting scared that I might be an emergent as I knew most of the books, some of the music, some of the people... but realized it wasn't true when you got to the I-pod (don't own on, don't own a PDA, and don't even want to own a cell phone, but unfortunately i do)
Great post!
Oh, and I don't have a tattoo nor do I have plans to get one... Guinness is just too filling for me to drink enough of it to get to the condition needed to get a tattoo
The church (UBC Waco) that Crowder leads worship in was listed on an EC website (I don't which one), so I'd consider him on the EC side of life. Also, while the quality of his music has increased, the spiritual depth has decreased. "What it looks like" is that his newest CD would fit well into the EC book of CDs.--Dirk
Might I say, this is fabulous.
Well done.
Here via maggi's, and this is Classic :)
This is great! With so much reaction there must be at least a little truth here...or maybe more than a little!
I feel like you might have meant this post to be negative towards emergent. The thing is that I can identify with most of those things... and I like it. Thanks for the post! It made me laugh and made me more confident in my emergent self
LOL ... this was quite amusing.
I have some contacts with the 'emerging church' but very much doubt that I myself am emergent. I'm too traditional (compared with 'emergent', that is.) I did try Guinness once though. In Ireland.
And I love Richard Foster. And N.T. Wright. And Dallas Willard. But I also like Don Carson ... the winsome face of Reformed theology. :)
I'm an Anglican woman with strong charismatic leanings who believes that women should not be barred from church leadership (well, I would say that, being in a preaching ministry myself.)
The music listed here makes me go 'huh?' I've never heard of this stuff! I'm a Bach and Palestrina girl! As well as lots of other stuff: Clannad, Iona, Delirious?, Vineyard worship from the early '90s, Joan Armatrading ...
Clannad!!! Well, that says it all. I'm obviously far too square to be emergent. :)
Philippa, from the UK
Marc,
1. Adding the VW was a nice touch. I've been trying to convince my brother to sell his VW! :-D LOL
2. The last post that I saw with this many comments was about "Schmeradactyls". I think you've hit a nerve. You might have to revisit this topic sometime in the future.... wow, another post was added while I was typing this.
You forgot the soul patch, poetry, alt-folk music, two buck chuck and the word sustainable.
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Well, let me just thank all of you for commenting! Welcome to all those who are new to this blog, especially the many from the EC; Doug and Andrew (see post) dropped in, as well as folks from THEOOZE and emergentuk, as well as many others, and all had nice things to say. I even found out that the tattoo leg really does belong to an EC guy named Marko... thanks dude!
Come back and visit anytime. We're usually engaged in some sort of sacred-cow tipping and would love to hear your perspective (before we destroy it with logic and reason ;-)).
Thanks again,
Marc
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Marc,
You've done in one post what it took J.T. to do in twenty!
Quick question Marc. While you are destroying EC guy's perspectives, shouldn't you do it with scripture, rather than man's logic and reason? Just a question
Jonwhitaker,
That's an extremely logical and well reasoned question. ;-) <- wink
I feel all cold and slimy now...
I feel so funky...
ok marc first of all you crack me up
second of all --i didn't miss them i just didn't think about them-- The Pictures are so pretty pretty pictures
i did see them i think i was saying we can have a high view of God and His Word (minus the maze)and we can discuss the books and respect the profession of faith of those who claim to be believers and deal with them as such(admonishing praying rebuking appealing pleading etc and maybe separating).
I suppose I am a Missional Reformed Charismatic(see www.marshillchurch.org & www.redeemer.com & www.sovereigngraceministries.org ).
Here are some words though from a Missional Reformed Charismatic:
You use these words in a negative way: Open, Liturgy, Emergent, Liberal, New, Re-imagining , Conversation , (give a)Talk , Modernism ,Post-Modernism , Post-Christian, Derrida , Ooze , Social Justice
,Brian Mac Laren , Hilary , Church Growth, Hyper-Fundamentalism ,Caucasian, Creed , Seeker-Sensitive , Global, Arminian, Ritual, Enlightment, non-foundationalism ,Relative, Unlimited, Universal, Global, Candles(depending on the smell), Couches(depending on size), Incense(depending on the smell),Overhead Projector, 4 point and 3 point Calvinism, Rationalism
You use these words in a positive way:
Emerging,Foundationalism, Absolute Truth,Absoltist, Organic, Indigenous, Church Health, D.A. Carson, 7 and 5 point Calvinism, Biblicism, The Fundamentals, Bush, Missional, Preaching, Pulpit, Doctrine, Innerancy, Power, Illumination,Revelation, Incarnational, Monergism,Continuatism, Pre-Suppositionalism, Meta-narrative, Covenant, Humble, Post-Christian, Jesus,Blog,Meat and Liquid/Aqua, Folk Art,Fine Art, Community, Schaeffer,Order of Service, Nations, Synod, Canon, Confession, Creed, Catechism, DesCartes, Existential(only at BBCMPLS-lol),Mystical(only at BBCMPLS-lol) Experience(only in SGM), Living Works, Sermon,Debate(lol), Bilbical, Ordinance, Beauty, Art, Position Paper,Testimony, Journey, Debate, Closed, Providential, Caucasian(j/k), Powerpoint,Candles(depending on the smell), Couches(depending on size), Incense(depending on the smell), Theism, and Reformation
Plus a copy of Desiring God and the ESV in my cargo pant pocket.
Picture perfect =)
lol, sheer brilliance
Here via THE Andrew - awesomse stuff. Love it! (are EC Chicks legs also that hairy??? :) )
Cheers Marc. I think I'm going to crack a Guinness on this one. Im sure it's noon somewhere.
It's a bummer that you've got the anti-comments, but then again, that's probably a sign that you're emerging as well. Come to think of it, you dont have nearly enough ridicule and criticism from foundationalists "called" to return you to the true way. I might have to revoke you're emerging card. Please remit it to headquarters immediately.
Thanks Scottyb, I think that is worthy of a post of its own on your blog. Thanks for the links by the way!
that is so spot on! Well done! I love it, funny, to the point, acurate and completely realistic! nice.
Considering the number of comments I'm just going throw this out there and hope it gets overlooked. I attend a non-denominational reformed charismatic church (not a Sovereign Grace/PDI church) but the difference is...we baptise the babies. I'd love to know who among the emergent church movement whose worship is somewhat along the lines described by Marc and folks on this comment thread, who not only are confessional and charismatic, but are full Calvinists as well.
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Rachel,
Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church is "Reformed", and some would say his church looks, sounds and smells emergent. My EC bretheren can correct me here, but I don't beleive they actually consider him emergent nor does he himself.
I think that as time goes on more and more churches will adopt aspects of what Emergent has been doing and it will be hard for the uninitiated to discern if something is actually emergent or simply a church dressed up to look emergent. The language, worship forms etc. will be very similar. The distinguishing factor might be true missional community living.
In other words, the Genii is out of the bottle and whatever exclusivity, if thats even the right word, that emerging had early on will get sucked into evangelicalism at large. Basically the Hegelian Dialectic at work.
Okay folks, that's my 2 cents analysis, have at it.
BTW the anonymous abortion comment was deleted because I don't allow drive-bys assaults unless your willing to leave you name.
Brilliant! It would be hard to come up with an image for it, but in the U.S. context, I'd add that you might be Emerging if you consider yourself progressive, but spend a great deal of time and energy stressing about, responding to, and trying to sway your conservative evangelical colleagues.
Wow, i dont know who you are, and what you stand for, but i know that i owe you dinner.
yeah sorry for the long post btw up there-- i did post on it on my site
specifically dealing with mark driscoll--as an example of someone who is emerging but not "Emergent"
Emergent is an organization--emerging are new churches that are coming into view(though the two words are confused at times)
Driscoll has candles but still preaches the Doctrines of Grace and the Cross
http://valueofthekingdom.blogspot.com/2005/12/mark-driscoll-emerging-and-biblical.html
Well you knew this was going to happen. I find it totally innapropriate and unfunny!!!!
;-} Good on ya Justin...
wow. i was going to do homework starting a half hour ago but ended up reading this. i have no idea what you are all talking about, i keep hearing emerging church and reading it everywhere, and i see somehow that this is hilarious too and i think i'd really get along w/you, even though i wouldn't last 10 minutes in a church-lingo conversation, that is apparent. :)
This is hilarious. Spot-on. Thanks! It's weird, I was just thinking of something similar yesterday. Have you ever heard of Hipster Bingo? You could make Emergent Bingo.
He was a white male
He drank a lot beer
His theological interests were subversive to traditional theology
He swore like a sailor
He advocated a modernized and accessible music in worship
He was scruffy and unkempt in appearance
He had a heavily sacramental theology
MARTIN LUTHER WAS EMERGENT!!!
BlueRaja,
If Luther was Emerging, than what was Calvin?
Im sure glad God looks on the inside.
I dunno . . . probably a moderate Calvinist?
It saddens me. Just another movement. I am beginning to think Christians like movements and jumping on band wagons more than the rest of the world. I guess the Seeker Sensitive movement has lost its excitement so now we have to start another one to keep those who came for all the wrong reasons in the first place. Discernment is at an all time low. As one of my professors says “A movement that doesn’t mellow becomes a monster.”
Love it.
Great stuff, New Zealand represent!
Hey, I'm the 100th comment. Nice.
Lovely post. Dig the pix.
I'd like to emerge, but I bought a powerbook and now I can't afford an ipod or a bedford van! I'll have to stay in my room.
Surely no-one in the emergent church drinks starbucks? Right?
New Zealand represent!
I'm not sure Sufjan would appreciate being lumped in with such a large and disparate group.
And how in heaven's name can anyone use Derrida in a positive context? What's next, Foucault? Camus? Sartre?
Ask the anti-Semite Paul de Man what he thinks of Derrida.
ScottyB and others--
Hey, there is no need for you emerging-ish Reformed Charismatics to have The Ooze on your list of verboten words! I know that many of you guffaw at our phraseology sometimes, but I have to tell you as an editor at The Ooze that we strive to create a safe space for constructive dialogue and sharing for people of all perspectives. We have charismatics, and Reformed folk as Ooze members!
Feel free to participate on our message boards and even submit articles describing your journey...I'm sure you have someting valuable to share. Take it from someone who is both post-Reformed and post-charismatic! [And note: "post" does not mean "anti"! I still believe in predestination and pray in tongues regularly. : ) ] And also, for some nice charismatic links, some of which are "Reformed" and/or emerging-friendly, go here.
So, I guess it costs a lot of money to be emerging, huh? That alone would keep me in Reformed evangelicalism, I think. Not to mention that the emerging church seems pretty... um... flimsy.
laughed out loud, have an ibook, love guiness, but I am Orthodox. no more buzzwords please. gimme that old time religion.
marc:
Sure -- Dog Wilson will discuss things with me, but he links to you.
I think he's trying to divide the Reformed Baptist community thorugh creative tracking back. He's a clever rascal.
It won't work!
Frank,
I don't know what Doug is thinking, we are fully capable of division in the Reformed Baptist Community on our own.
Who said it cost a lot of money to emerge? Heck, many of us are in "simple church" structures--my intentional home church community has no building or clergy costs! All of our money goes to help out people in our community, other churches, church planting projects worldwide, and charities.
And because there's so much stuff online, being emerging is pretty cheap!
As to those who think it shallow, well, shucks, I don't know what to say. Back when I was a USAmerican evangelical, I thought church history consisted of the New Testament (what little of it I had in context), a little bit of the 16th century, and the 1950s on up.
Since being part of a house church community that appreciates the contributions of marginalized church movements (like the early Celtic church, Waldensians, Lollards and Anabaptists) and the emerging church conversation, which emphasizes dialogue with and appreciation of all orthodox Christian streams, I have deepened my appreciation of that great cloud of witnesses from Christian communions from many centuries and nations.
Am I "deeper" now or before? I'll tell you this: I have an enlarged vision of God and the good news of Jesus Christ.
good response mike morrle thats why i thought i put it on both
dang marc everyone is linking to this
Other than the beer, I don't get any of this. Dang, I'm out of it.
OldFatSlow
Hillariously brilliant!
LOL. I do wanna say that I, myself am NOT emergent... though I do love David Crowder Band and U2 and drink Coffee... :-)
Don't you need Donald Miller somewhere in the mix? Every emergent person I know (I hate labels), talks about Blue Like Jazz like it's scriptural...
very nice. I still think that the "emergent church" probably isn't in america.
Only thing I'd add is that if you are emergent you probably don't like the term emergent.
Oh well - so much for being Emergent. I didn't think I was, then after looking at your list, I see that I probably am - which makes me want to NOT be, because I hate being "part" of anything.
In addition to the Guiness and Cussing - can you add some really fine Cuban cigars?
I love how you try to hide your slander by only writing the first name of all the Emergent people... oh wait!! Isn't that sin?
Hi "sin,"
Marc isn't slandering anyone. He is having fun. And all of we "emergers" think its pretty funny.
Hi Sin,
One thing I thought the comments here were lacking was a good dose of self-righteous indignation. Thanks for your contribution. ;-)
I totally dig your post. I think you have just shown what all of us NON-EMERGENT church goers are thinking. There is a huge mega church now that calls thier once a month service on Wednesday nights, "Emergent." YUCK! I jsut know that Paul must walk with Jesus every single day and laugh with him about all the CRAP people are trying to make church into. Well demonstrated in your post!
This post strikes me as prophetic. I’ve found myself on the verge of tears as I have read and re-read it; for it rings too true. The first photo alone is enough to stop me in my tracks as I consider my responsibility in this movement which could easily become another racially, gendered, and class divisive religious sub-group.
The unmistakable reality that there are growing cultures of people embodying a new kind of Christianity marked by a generous orthodoxy in which our histories, traditions and practices are being re-imagined, and all of this is emerging and oozing about in a liquid-kind-of ancient-future mosaic is pregnant with both possibility and peril. On the one hand real people and real communities are finding fresh life, new vocabularies and renewed hope for knowing Christ, living in the kingdom and a serving the world. On the other hand, the movement has been rather self-consumptive – a concern which many (if not most) emergent-type people are creatively living into.
I love the deconstructive (in the best sense of that term) power of this post, in part, because as I hear it, what is underscored for me is, “this” cannot be! This is our opportunity to embody a generous orthodoxy in which there is no male or female, white or black, single or married, American or Afghan, Brit or Iraqi, Mac user or PC user, Guinness drinker or Coors drinker, etc. As I submit myself to the inspired genius of this post I am undone, and I hear the voice of God inviting me to love and extend beyond what I perceive as safe to learn from and to be transformed in the face of the other.
If emergent cannot be more than what this post helps us to see than let emergent be damned. However, if we can hear and if we can see the invitation of God to more, then count me in.
These kinds of posts signal, to me, some of the hope of the emergent movement. Thank you Marc.
Peace.
Dwight Friesen, was that a parody? Because if it was it was awesome. If it wasn't, sorry.
That was too G@D DAMN funny for words!!!
Now, excuse me while I return to David Crowder on my iPod, incense burning and a nice Chianti.
I am glad I am not an emergent. It sounds sooooo pretentious!!!! Just what the church needs, yet another split. Way to go.
This is pathetic.
Wonderful, althought I'd put calvinism in the positive category...so misunderstood.
ciao marc:
i have no idea who you are, but i got to your post from doug's blog. loved your visual definition of 'what is emergent?'. you can imagine how hard it would be to explain it to a bunch of italians...yours truly, lebanese blondi.
LOL! But I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I had to pause in the middle to take notes: a couple of book titles I'd not yet read.
I don't understand...are you a magician or something? How did you know I drive a Scion and listen to Sufjan on my iPod and read McLaren and drink Guinness??? I didn't even know I was "emerging!" I guess its good to know. Now, where do I go from here???
Flippin Hillarious. I was going to say sounds like someone I know and then they posted.
I'm really hoping "mere discipleship" is a joke
Only in America (Europe) do we have time for such silliness. We are so spoiled.
I couldn't help think, as I read this list, how much of this is about our progress... and how much of this is (still) about our pain?
TOO funny. I laughed until my sides hurt. I don't know what the heck I am thought I saw a bit of myself in your post which concerned me a bit. But dang, that was funny.
Oh, and the picture of one of the guys does look a lot like my husbnad. spooky.
Sick
that was good. I especially liked the pictures of the churches with the art and candles. My question, having now realized that I am "emerging," is from what am I emerging? I really like the emergent experience, but at times I wonder if it is too edgy, as if it is trying to smooth off some of the hard edges that come with some of Jesus' sharper words...
keep up the good work. I think I laughed until I was sweating...
So does that mean I'm cool now?
OK, now I'm COMPLETELY depressed. I read, love, discuss the books and music, but I don't qualify on so much of the rest of it. I'm a MARRIED white male with children the age of the guy pictured... (I guess I thought the Emergent Movement wasn't just another generation-chasing thing) I know most of the names, and am slightly older than Brian. I've had to trade in Guinness for Kaliber (THAT one ought to be arcane enough!). I don't have an Ipod, I have an Ipaq - running (gasp) Windows Mobile (yeah, I have to use Word and Excre...uh... Excel at work), and that disqualifies me even though I have MP3's of N.T. Wright on the one gig SD card along with U2. My laptop is a Dell, my hair is short, I have no tatoos (though no problem with them), I don't wear a stocking cap in August or indoors. But the worship services I help design and facilitate DO look like the pic's sometimes...
Dang. Relegated to the heap of emergent wanna-bees. I am SO depressed.
Seriously, after reading this, the emergent church has just made me want to puke. I hope this is a really sick joke. Ugh.
In case you're actually serious, here's what I have to say:
I believe in Absolute Truth. I am a Fundamentalist who supports George Bush, and I certainly do NOT have a bumper sticker that denotes me as a Christian Liberal. You can ask my cousin Jamie. He'll tell you all about me.
I thought it was pretty funny... it made me chuckle...
look... here is my take! There were some folks who had some very honest things to say about the Western/American church that were harsh but, i think, pretty accurate. Mostly about how it lost it's desire to know Jesus and make Him known...
we would rather make ourselves look and feel good...
the problem is... MUCH of those in the EC have decided to throw out the baby with the bath water and have chucked the weight of scripture and the TRUE wonder and reverence for the Holiness of God along with the 3 piece-suits and 'mega-church' mentality...
instead the desire for something truely "authentic" (not fake or false) but something as a real expression of true faith in Christ and a desire to follow him has been crowded out by the trendy and the experiential...
that is the problem with the EC as a movement. I have some ideas that wouldn't fly in my local church for ministry... not because they aren't from scripture... but because they would make some people feel culturally uncomfortable...
Should the Body of Christ spend more on the needs of the community and leave less for the social service organizations to do....? Probably...
are there some "sacred cows" in our 'church worship' that are unhealthy OR that might be good.... but aren't the gospel. Can we change them and bring in other elements to the body to use in worship (and i don't just mean songs)??? By all means, yes!
To be "the church we don't need, Brian M, or Dave P., or Dan Kimball... (although are some things we can take from those authors and their books that might be helpful... we can learn too)...
we already have it... it is
called.. The Bible!
i can't do trendy... but i can/should do relevant (by the way - the scriptures are always relevant)... and i do like the word "connect"... i think we have to connect with each other & with Jesus (to be a part of Him)... we should think about Biblical community (acts 1-4)... We should think about how we live as a "church" (see same passage...)
we just have to remember...
Ecclesiastes 1:9
"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."
Sorry... not registered on blogger... i am a xanga guy...
http://www.xanga.com/Watchman_on_the_Wall
That I may Know Him,
JP
no ranting or raving - that was hilarious, and sad, and funny, and right on target - are we really that definable and predictable?
...um, I don't get it.
really.
Marc, you are right on except one thing: you said, "your worship service looks like." Don't you know, we don't have worship services, we have worship gatherings! That's from Dan's Emerging Worship. You might be emerging if you already knew this!
"Plugged in" is another positive phrase....
Candy, I appreciate what you shared.
This reminds me of my retro/metro post. I may have to add this and your hyperCalvinist post to the columns.
Laughed out loud. For totally other reasons that others have mentioned though. I thought that Calvinistic Fundamentalism was the domain of the WM, and that Emergent only reflects this since it's picking up a lot of the "rejects".
My bad.
Maybe it's only a big deal in the West because that's the only place folks thought be a Fundamental was more improtant than be a Christian.
You might not be emergent if you're an overweight white guy taking a nap in a three piece suit?
As someone who's on the fence, I've got to say that a lot of folks just don't get the point. If I say the word "Culture" in church, as in "The culture of this church is exclusive, not inclusive. It's not welcoming to visitors." I get laughed at. But the posts have made me surer than ever this whole thing is about a culture clash. Don't feel comfortable? That's fine. It's obviously easier to poke fun than support and encourage you brothers and sisters.
Maybe I'm on a different fence though. Absolute Truth, Church Growth, Preaching, Pulpit Doctrine, and Innerancy are all great words. Neccessary words! One of the biggest problems I have with my upstanding well-thought of fundy church is the high number of Wordless Sunday mornings. Way to many "special speakers" (not preachers, speakers mind)telling me how to spend my money, why the best way to witness to someone is to convince them of 6-Day Creationism (don't forget to call them mindless monkeys from the pulpit!) or nut jobs in costumes reminding me that you're not really Christian unless you're and "Old School American Patriot".
Most of the posts tell me more about you than about any movement. (How's that for post-modern?)
This is freaking hilarious! Genius, I tell ya. My conclusions are I'm about half emergent... I'm Canadian, would like a laptop but can't afford one, I don't like beer but I do like Bailey's, I'd like to read all those books, I don't cuss too much but it comes out every now and then, I like all that music (especially DCB), don't own an ipod (se comment about laptop), i'm about the same with all the positive words, and most of the negatives but not all (my stance on bush is "better than kerry, but not the best", preaching is good if done right, and inerrancy... well if we can't trust the Bible what can we trust?) don't have a car (see ipod/laptop comments), I could be the girl with the starbucks if I could afford a laptop, and I like funky worship services. No tatoos, would like the "prayer lamp", and not offended. So yeah... about half emergent?
This, my friend, is hysterical.
I think the sheer amount of comments as well as their diversity shows how on your post was. A pleasure to read and laugh at. Keep up the good work.
You forgot to mention Blue Like Jazz...
Freaking hilarious... thanks for blowing the lid on man's attempt (once again) to define a faith niche within evangelicalism... and once again a niche is marred by sinful man... I love God and the emergent church concept... as seen above, the pendulum tends to find it's swing towards love for a concept more than the conceiver himself. Great worship gathering found here: Rev 7:9ff. Shalom
Perfect and hilarious! I'm glad A29 sent the link...the leg was the breaking point.
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